How can these pair become such? His stepmother he realises never trusted him. I weep at the thought how he made life so difficult for himself. Poor Liancheng cuckolded. Towards the end she suddenly becomes crazy and murderous (though she snapped out of it in 1 episode) that I find totally out of character and I was in disbelief; I thought she is just pretending. Maybe because I am biased. She seems to make promises she never keeps; in fact she promised to leave Qiyou, she didnt, she promised to let Liansi have Qiyou, yeah but there is a proviso and that is her, she promised to deliver a message to Suyaos father and she did, like towards the end and because it is to her advantage. He has all the right expression in every scene. He is a fantastic actor but his problem is his death scene is too long. It feels jumpy later on, some scenes unconnected to the other and some scenes comes and go unexplained. Whilst we can all argue who is the handsomest and all, no doubt 2 made the biggest impact in female hearts; one is Prince of Shu that is Meng Qiyou played by the man with the impossibly beautiful eyebrows, Yan Kuan and the other is Prince of Northern Han that is Liu Liancheng (you can call him Durian City if you want) played by the man with the impossibly beautiful long eyelashes, Wallace Huo. I will say she should have killed herself by episode 2, that way Qiyou can happily marry Liansi and strengthen his rule, Liancheng might love Xiangyun back and her creepy brother would not have lived to do the evil things he did. Funns assessment of both mens appearance was pretty accurate haha. First, Miao Hao Jun, the loving eunuch named Hua Gong Gong to Ma Fuya. He is attracted to Fuya because she is honest to him without asking anything in return (although I will disagree on that). Liu Lian Cheng is not an easy man to like but easy to love. They have quite about the same start with mothers who love them but in different way. The other characters seem like truly supporting for some, for others merely walk on roles. Also the fact that I know Northern Han is very cold hence the fur coat. Every night I will switch on TV to watch this beautiful man. And let me talk about that sex scene later on because it is a must to talk about. But since I met Wallace Huo first and fell in love at first sight, my heart has always been with Liu Liancheng, through good or bad times. For me Wallace Huo made my day. This is one mother who should have killed herself rather than burden her daughter by her very existence. If you dont love someone, you dont love someone. Because any reasons given will just be an excuse and makes his character even more calculative and devious and will dishonour his love for Fuya. Ma Fu Ya is a princess of the Chu state in 10th century China. Fuyas unborn child was killed by Duyun who pressed hard onto her stomach when she was semi conscious. Operative word is good because when he became emperor, he fell into the same trap like his father did, by overly preferring one woman over the other causing the other to feel hurt and resentment, inability to make good decisions. The success of this character is due to one factor and one factor only; the amazing brilliant performance of Kara Hui who became the driving force of this series for the story in Shu. 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Her casting decision, if it is all her own is nothing short of impeccable and accurate for all the veterans and male actors, although she falters as to the younger female, probably because she doesnt want attention to be taken away from her. I didnt like the hairstyle for most though I like the ornaments. Wallace Huo was billed as a guest star, my guess is because of the strict ruling of China broadcasting authorities on the issue of Mainland China actors as leading actors. All the years of acting and she still acts so stiffly. But apart from marriage, Liancheng seems to have a stronger footing when governing his country, he is more strong in his opinion and expressing his opinion. Sun Xi as Muo Chou is kind of a pointless character. when Liancheng hit her? Whatever you have read about the synopsis, chuck it out because it aint the same. The only song I like, sang very well by Wallace Huo although could have had more emotion is Qingshi. Kara Hui is AWESOME in the series. She is terribly annoying and she plays her part well. The actresss studio was deregistered recently, igniting fan speculation. The Glamorous Imperial Concubine <> also known as Qing Shi Huang Fei or Introduction Of A Princess Mainland China Drama, 2011 Genre: Historical Fiction Number of Episodes: 44 Title Means Basically, The Drop Dead Gorgeous Imperial Concubine, Qing Shi to describe a woman so gobsmackingly beautiful. 5.0 Call It Love 2023 (Kore) Dram Dizi; 5.0 Club Friday The Series - Love and Belief: Our Promise 2023 (Tayland) Dram Dizi; 5.0 Club Friday The Series - Love and Belief: 3 Of Us 2023 (Tayland) Dram Dizi; 5.0 Never Give Up 2023 (in) in Dizileri; 5.0 Because of Love 2023 (Tayland) Dram Dizi; 5.0 Justice in the Dark 2023 (in) Aksiyon Dizi Her acting is like so on the surface, so simplistic, so how should I put it? I couldnt believe an eunuch dared scold the Emperor but we are to suppose this emperor is a family oriented guy and treats this eunuch as his brother. He quickly grasped two main points. I saw this actress again in Empresses In The Palace and she looked so different which shows a good actress than morph their face. Ma Xiangyun is one character I never liked from the 1st time I see her. From the little we know, Du Fei Hong must have been the generals daughter, a capable woman who fought alongside her husband whom to her is a love marriage but to him a marriage of convenience. Under his rule, he almost lost his kingdom. Duwan dies being strangled, so her baby dies in her, by Concubine Han. Lie on the lychee tree and make trouble. She works hard and the results is all there. He looks arrogant and is cold and calculating, but he is really soft-hearted and gentle underneath. Quite an elegant performance even if rather.. underused. I like to think at the end they married one another. I was in fact rather shocked with her looks when she was in prison, about to be executed. What is imperial concubine? He hardly has any lines, he hardly has any actions. Because if not I cant explain how this series just nosedived. She must like blue; so much blue. And for that he is the 3rd reason why I highly recommend this series. The heartbreaking reconciliation on her death bed, the pain every time he thinks in her eyes he is never good enough. The best of all characters of father, with the best actor and the worst character has to be Qiyous father, the Emperor of Shu. I like the fact that he is somewhat a mysterious figure when it comes to his feelings and the way he thinks. "The Peacemaker" Wang Zhaojun (Han dynasty, 206BC-8AD) Wang. Concubine Han died by poison from Fuya. 276 Pins 9y M Collection by Mina Frost Wallace Huo Empress Ki Yan Imperial Academic Dress Chinese Glamour Tv Drama Films In fact I feel like slapping him. After that no more such scene, so I was like why Qiyun suddenly want to become emperor and then promptly forgot about his own suggestion? In short, I watched the first 2/3 parts because it was a grand production and all the guys are hotbut even the abundance of hot guys couldnt save it in the end. Xie Zhiwei was fine after hearing the imperial decree, but Xie Tiao was different. First, she is the producer, of course she would cast herself and she is sorta famous on TV. Her characters almost always come off as pretentious or rather to be exact, meant well but destroys things in the end. If he had any, none of it would be justified. If she showed him too much love, her husband knowing she is from powerful family, and Qiyou being very bright, will threaten him and he also want to put Qiyun as emperor. Mesmerising eyes. glamorous imperial concubine ending explained 3- Classes pack for $45 glamorous imperial concubine ending explained for new clients only. Lianxi becomes the emperor of Northern Han as he promised Dugu to rule well and marries no one we know of. I never knew she was so brilliant until this performance. Liancheng may have died at Xianguns hands but it was because he had to protect Fuya. The Glamorous Imperial Concubine (2011- ) Plot Showing all 1 items Jump to: Summaries (1) Summaries Ma Fuya is a princess of the Chu state in 10th-century China. For Wang Yu, frankly I feel his character is like an addition that can be taken away. I was never a Taiwan drama fan so I never knew of his existence although I heard of the tale of 2 Wallaces. I suspect she deliberately cast all the hot guys for ratings purposes and the less than pretty ones so that she shines more. No ratings or reviews yet. The silliest hairstyles has to be the Northern Han with the high tail hair or testicles hair. Also Fuya is supposed to be so damn nice that it all came across as unfeeling, unpretentious. FU!!!! Ma Fuya sounds like a nice girl buy the way Ruby plays her, I find Fuya to be such a manipulative bitch even if she isnt, not intentionally. In fact he has my vote as the most pitiful character ever to grace the TV. One loyal minister of Shu died by knocking his head on some stone. She has the grace, the elegance to play a princess. However even if the series went nonsensical after her death, prior to that, Yan Kuan was a joy to watch. A very despicable man. The battles between princes took place in the court, and the imperial concubine mothers of these princes messed around in the inner palace. The poet thus described what happened next: And in the end even his death was so meaningless and uneventful; trying to save Fuya, he got struck by arrows and fell into the lake. Since this is not his love story. I feel if Qiyou had been better written post Du Fei Hong, he would have been an enjoyable character to watch because he would be most tragic of all heroes. His own blood brother later abandoned him and wished him dead. Even Ma Fuya seem more like an observer than a participant. But yet somehow you get the feeling of a desperate soul trapped in a desperately unhappy situation and later on in a worser still circumstances; marrying the woman you know hurt the woman you love and so you hate that woman, unable to accept her. Or maybe I can but that will take a whole lot gigabytes for me to explain, which I wont do simply because it hurts to relive those moments. ! and he answers back as he again I believe vomits blood Because you were never a mother to me and it was such a heartbreaking scene. No mother and child have such magnified problems than this pair. Im planning on watching this for Yan Kuan, I liked him in Schemes of a Beauty. She doesnt go beyond that. The Glamorous Imperial Concubine (Chinese: ) is a 2011 Chinese television series based on a novel of the same title by Murong Yin'er ().Starring Ruby Lin with Kevin Yan and Wallace Huo, it was Lin's producing debut.. He had to send his favourite mistress away. For Fuya, she feels suffocated with him, and yet when she tenderly touches him when he doesnt notice it, you will think perhaps if if he had saved her first when she first came to Nothern Han, they could have been a beautiful couple. Quite a huge reality check to see her so messy, so dirty and bloodied as well. The drama is based on a novel by the same name by Murong Yinr and marks the production debut of Ruby Lin, who also stars in the series. Among many of the legends, the poem "Lament of Endless Grief" written by Bai Juyi, one of the greatest Tang poets, was the most popular. But I feel if those episodes were not edited out and we see Lian Cheng as in the book version, I will find him disgusting. Therefore is the completion of Meng Qiyou, unloved, unwanted, the unluckiest man, ever. That is basically what Qing Shi Huang Fei is. Concubines' main role is to fulfill the emperor's desire (especially in bed) and they are forbidden to have sexual relationships with anyone else, the violation of such rule is punishable by death. Like I said, there is similarity between Qiyou and Liancheng. His ministers also left him. Having been through hardships together for many years, Fuya fell for Qiyou whilst Qiyou too fell for Fuya and decided not to use Fuya for his own political gain whilst Fuya discovers why Qiyou chose her is because of her resemblance to his fathers favourite concubine, Concubine Mei. Evil uncle of Fuya dies from being stabbed by Duyun. But back to wallace. It's based on the novel of the same name by Murong Yin Er. She is not a bad mother but she had to be one to safeguard her sons and the one son she wanted desperately for him to love her is Qiyou who also desperately want her to love him until at one point he just gave up. His eyes is just gorgeous. i knw.. kara should be gven better roles in tvb. and also because you understand his hurt, his pain and his confusion. He is emotionless only because he shut his heart. Anyway Lianxi is one character I grew to like towards the end. Wallacehe is just too pretty for me to really take seriously, I dont know why. Imagine that! Your review is totally entertaining, I loved every word you wrote. $168.50. I realised afterwards, that you might have answered my question in your review, but I only skimmed it and avoided too many spoilers since I hadnt watched it yet. Whilst Fuya loves him, she had to leave him too due to political reasons, twice she had to do so. I cant remember but Duyun killed her. Maybe in part it is Ruby Lin's fault. Grandpa Hua died from experimenting with poison I think, to save I believe Empress of Chu so that Fuya doesnt need to risk her life and unborn child by trying the same poison so as to find an anecdote. Prince Sungwon becomes the King, but his mother now wields true power. Having lost everything except her beloved grandpa Hua, she traveled to Northern Han to seek Lianchengs help to revive her kingdom. Like I said, I heard grumblings why Ruby Lin is the leading lady. He studies the art of poison and did many things to help Liancheng. I suppose if you must have a weird guy that is Lianxi, then you must have weird girl, Muo Chou. CharacterThere are plenty of hot men in this series and when I say hot men, even the old ones are handsome. Emperor of Chu dies from poison. Publicado por Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback Ma Fuya is the beloved daughter of the Emperor of Chu and is someone highly opinionated and intelligent who is also the peoples princess, beloved by all except for her jealous cousin, Ma Xiangyun who gets ignored most of the time. Her voice is dubbed, thank god, and her voice dubber gave her more emotion than she showed on screen. That is basically what Qing Shi Huang Fei is. Du Feihong dies of illness but the way I see it, she probably died more of heartbreak. The altar lies at the west end, a rare arrangement and one that seems to be found only in churches that have replaced mosques. Lady Yehenara, otherwise known as Empress Dowager Cixi, was arguably one of the most successful concubines in China's history. This is one character who doesnt know love at all, worse than Liancheng, he just want to possess and so we can assume he rapes the conscious but drugged out Liansi. is there a cantonese version, otherwise i wont watch it. I read in many forums that she should have been Fuya. But she still had Qiyou until her husband cruelly took him away from her, and her bitterness also spill over to Qiyou because Qiyou unknowingly whilst trying to win her favours also grew close to Mei and she hated Mei. The voice dubbing was terrible, with this woman screaming almost every episode and plus the fact the character is so terrible. To make herself the prettiest of all, she cast those lesser in beauty although from what Xiangyun said, on paper she is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the land of Chu. After all these 2 were bound by their love for Liancheng. This is Kara Hui as you have probably seen before but not given much thought. That makes Liancheng a better Emperor. If it is the girls, maybe dont watch. So when I saw the preview, I heard about the high ratings for this series and I saw Ruby, I decided to watch for the sake of watching until a few minutes into episode 1, this beautiful man appears and oh how my heart flutters. His best crying scene has to be when he was by the river, munching on the persimmon cake and left tear down, then right tear down as he wonders why wont Fuya love him. Poor woman. It was beyond that of a father to daughter thing. Best action(s)Lianxi and his trademark furrowed look. Abby Chois Current Husband Agrees to Take Care of Her Four Children, Crystal Fung Returns to HKU for Masters Degree, Insufficient Evidence Favors Levo Chan in Illegal Gambling Case, Dayo Wongs A Guilty Conscience Breaks Box Office Records, Rumored Wedding Bells for Laurinda Ho & Shawn Dou, Song Joong Ki Upset Over Rumors About His Wife, Zhao Lusi and Dylan Wang Rumored to Star in New Historical Fantasy Drama, Fan Bingbing Makes a Comeback in Korean Movie Green Night, Sammy Sum and Girlfriend in Sexy Underwear Photoshoot, Dayo Wongs A Guilty Conscience Breaks, Dilraba On Truth-seeking Mission in Prosecution. Yan Kuan is a beautiful man, but prone to imperfection as in bloated face and all. In front of the dark red palace gate, there are forbidden guards holding needles guarding the sides, and the magnificent golden wall I find Fuyas treatment of Liancheng like as if she is using him. If the pain is too much to bear, it will not be too late to let Xiaolu end up as the little emperor.At that time, if Xiao Jin cut him to death . The material has been carefully compared She actually left her that way. Performance wise, yes Yan Kuan does seem to have a bad deal with his awful ending and less focus on him as opposed to when we see Wallace, he is almost the main focus. The Glamorous Imperial Concubine, uga misuwur kanthi jeneng Qing Shi Huangfeilan Introduction of the Princessiku serial televisi Cina dhedhasar carita novl kanthi irah-irahan kang padha karya Murong Yinr (Hanzi Sederhana: ; Hanzi Tradisional: ; Pinyin: Mrng Ynr / Mrng Yner). He is cowardly as he is scheming as he is scary as he is not very bright. Appreciation of beautiful pictures. No explanation but I like the big fur. +$12.00 shipping. Imperial concubines, kept by emperors in the Forbidden City, were traditionally guarded by eunuchs to ensure that they could not be impregnated by anyone but the emperor. He is the eagle prince in Bu Bu Jing Xin. the glamorous imperial concubine recap. "The Glamorous Imperial Concubine" is a 2011 Chinese drama series directed by Lin Feng and George Leung. Compare this to Meng Qixing, Qiyous full blood brother who in the most important time abandoned Qiyou and even wanted Qiyou dead. And I love that scene. It was first aired in China on HBS on 30 September 2011. Ruby definitely populated this series with the good looking ones who surprise surprise, can act very well. Themesong wise, it is like a whole new level of out of tune singing by Ruby Lin. Maybe in part it is Ruby Lins fault. For me he uses her for his own gain. Most often asked question by meEmpress Du, why wont you love Qiyou back?. Liancheng had a beautiful death scene with some moving monologue. For one, Liu Lian Cheng is a conflicted character that will seize and demand your attention and make you love and hate him and to Wallaces credit, he did not hold back. Rating: PG. Of course when Du Fei Hong died, Qiyou became bland, because he was only concerned with Ma Fuya and the love aspect. She never thought that Concubine Shun's mother and son would be so favored. She is pretty and rather seductive and so she suits her role in this series but not as Guan Yin. Later on in the series, you will see interactions with his mother, the Empress Dowager and believe me when I say he is the King of Retorts. When Fuya refused his advances, he threatened her that he will kill Qiyou if she refuses him. Only by oppressing her again and again, can the next favorite concubine prove that she is really favored, better than the queen who once dominated the harem alone. In this series, she is at times ok, at times competent but mostly seriously inadequate. With the delayed broadcast of season 3, Ruby addresses speculations that the finale is being re-filmed. But first, let me say why I love this series. Why the woman with so much lipstick and yet the man after some hot kissing still looks bubblegum pretty on his lips? . . Wont they die from overheating? The songs are nice but she should have let someone better to sing those songs rather than monopolise the songs and in effect made a fool of herself as a singer. But the real problem with Ruby is she is a likeable person off screen, she seems like those great friends you must have and all that with her constant laughter and jovial personality and she is beautiful. Zhao Yelan's room was not silent at all. Having no reason makes it all the more tragic. Problem with this series is it is either at some hill side or that one beautiful lakeside or most at Hengdian. Liancheng dies shielding Fuya from the arrow by Xiangyun. Love his dubbed voice because it suits his face. She met him when she was at her happiest time and she isnt in a rush to marry. Not to say it is that stupid. The drama is based on a novel by the same name by Murong Yinr and marks the production debut of Ruby Lin, who also stars in the series. Second marriage gave her shelter to heal her broken heart. Voice actorHis voice was dubbed, obviously. Point is why she wont love his back is simply because she fell for another in the times (3 years? I always thought if under different circumstances, both he and Liancheng can be BFFs. Such words are interchangeable between the 2. You can see more in my post here (23.03.2012). The story may suck after a while, Ruby Lin an eyesore when it comes to acting, many actors simply will not do such as Hong Xiaoling who is an even worse eyesore than Ruby Lin, it is still a commendable effort by 1st time producer Ruby Lin who gave us some interesting casting decision that is what drives this series in the end. However his face can be puffy and tired looking. It is just her face; I dont find her appealing at all. But for any Wallaces fans or would be fans, no doubt you will agree he looks great in here. Cant remember. This series stirs up emotion that TVB cant. You dont hear her real voice, but you will see the way her lips bite her tongue and I suspect she must have gone for perfect diction sort of delivering her lines. This is a man who understands love but doesnt know how to love properly as opposed to Meng Qiyou. I would recommend that you watch this series from start to finish just so you know what I am talking about but if you must skip, skip the last 5 episodes or so. This is a classic example of a story that just couldnt go on logically. Vaguely, she already understood that Huan Chuyou probably wasn't happy either. I cant take the full show as it is too tragic but its not bad in small doses. This series suffers from character development because a better part of this series is used to develop the characters of Liancheng, Qiyou and Du Feihong. I didnt like this series because of Rubys character. Too much hurt between them, too much disappointment, too much unspoken issues. But I am sure if he knew, he may have a similar accent as his dubber. Paraga The second chapel on the left contains E1 Greco's Oracin, or Christ in the Garden of Olives, showing Peter, James and John asleep in the sombre foreground with an unearthly light illuminating the angel and the . Between her 2 sons, no doubt she loved Qiyou more because his love was one she craved and never gotten until the end. Of all the female characters in this series, I hated Fuya the most because she is the cause of everyones misery. In fact I think I would love her to be a friend of mine because she seems rather forthright as a person with a great big personality. In this time of warring kingdoms and political upheaval, Fuya's uncle usurps the throne and brutally kills her father. He could kill Imperial Concubine Li in the same way that he had . Baili Hongzhuang gave Huan Chuyou a slightly surprised look. the glamorous imperial concubine ending explained. These are 2 individuals who care about one another but somehow just couldnt say it. She screamed Why wont you love me like you love her? By January 2019, Ashes of Love became one of the biggest Chinese dramas of all time, with viewership records surpassing 15 billion people worldwide. And for all the reasons above, I highly recommend this series to you. He is also probably the one man immuned to Fuyas charm and tried to kill her several times. In fact everyone loves Fuya except for 3 or 4 people. Fuya must now be Lianchengs concubine whilst think of ways to rescue Qiyou and return to Shu, even if it meant sharing Qiyou with another woman, Liansi. 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