of the members of the University Athletic Association are part of the AAU. She did it. One needs larger than \(N=1\) to establish these effects -- which is why case studies are so ineffective at doing so. One miracle in particular stands out. Craig thanks so much for being with us. The conventional wisdom that we hear kind of over and over again is that the prevalence of miraculous activity, is much more the developing world than it is in the west. In the comment thread of my response, Caleb J writes. It is pretty clear that not much can be said confidently. The protocol also calls for multiple interventions if initial treatments are not effective essentially the subjects receive repeat treatments as long as possible until they report a response. If you thought you were miraculously cured, you'd have it tested every two weeks not waiting two years. It is a reasonable question to ask -- how much evidence is enough? He has served in a variety of teaching and leadership roles, including a term as president of the Evangelical Theological Society in 2015. The dead will be raised." Craig Keener: Thanks so much for having me Scott. Now normally somebody's healed, they're still gonna have, their muscles are still going to be atrophied if they've been unable to walk for a long time. God could choose methods that are not so easily confused with memory biases, measurement errors, and other distortions and it is suspicious that he doesn't operate that way. ), but with the best they ever give us (like the cases above), the second you dig a little bit you find that all the evidence kind of vaporizes or there are plausible alternative explanations that take only a minute to come up with. And also, a lot of my African friends say, "Look, life in Africa's a miracle. If that agent were doing these kinds of actions we would expect to see a bigger effect, or that agent is being capricious. Regardless of the contents of the specific studies, this sort of fishing for positive results is thoroughly unscientific and casts significant doubt on any results from this institution. I cook breakfast sandwich and lunch sandwichs I'm also a cashier. Tag: Barbara Snyder healing miracle ms. So the first part of the answer is sort of true but trivial and also not what they've been doing but then the second part contradicts that by saying "just assume that it's true anyway and start praying for people." They're meant to be signs of the Kingdom. That is directly below. in economics from Southern Methodist University. These theists are in fact arguing for a lower level of evidence than we demand of the universities and pharmaceutical companies for their claims. I could show you cases of arms growing back theoretically speaking and you would not believe it you would come up with natural explanations. Caleb was very nice in pointing out the documentation for the Barbara Snyder case, and correcting me in its reading. "Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. its future, DiSanto said. Scott Rae: Right. or perhaps it resolved in 2 years, and they never checked for a long time, only checking right after the prayer 16 years later. And each of us have different tasks. This means that the original measurements were not accurate enough to establish the lengths, and the follow-up that said it grew back are also not enough. Thus we will more often hear from the healing crowd. partnerships that have drawn national acclaim. Why don't we just simply believe. And when you dig in and you start interviewing some of the people and looking at some of the medical documentation, we're not talking about a little bit of evidence. Following her M.S. Don't presume what I'll believe, show me evidence of an arm growing back first, then perhaps we'll see -- but I'd need the proper controls. Otherwise, not. And by teacher time it was 200 pages I decided okay, this needs to be a separate book. He is the F.M. But I'm grateful for the, the engagement that's come since then because there has been a lot of good engagement and people have taken it seriously and taken to heart some of the arguments in it. What is more striking, especially for people who don't like Pentecostals or Charismatics, what's more striking is that the survey also in those 10 countries dealt with Christians who didn't consider themselves Pentecostal or Charismatic. There is a second video interview with the woman herself that reports completely different medical history, and differs substantially from the details Keener gives. God can heal us through exercise or just the things he's placed in our body. Join Facebook to connect with Barbara Snyder and others you may know. Further, the authors admit, although they do not disclose the data, that previous attempts to document response to the treatment in other populations have failed. But all of us are called to overcome. And then if so, then how do you account for that? And he went to a retreat for the healing of the mind. This last part is the reason we set up replication, controls, and other processes to minimize the effects of the limitations. How can I help? patient on hospice healed by Jesus. 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If you took our remedy, and improved, we want to hear from you. It will be life-changing for those individuals, for sure, even under the condition where there are no miracles. This is pretty silly. God can heal us through medicine. It doesn't matter whether the claim is religious or scientific, the same rules apply. James says, to refuse to put in the controls to avoid the biases we know we have, is a form of dogmatism -- we're looking for the result we already believe and we refuse to put in the methods that would allow us to isolate the different variables. Earlier in her career, she served as provost of Ohio State University . So her initial eyesight is 7/200, quite poor. prayer, laying of hands, religious service, etc) where miracles are claimed to be happening but they happen in only a small part of those same contexts and there's not a good reason give for that difference. It also highlights the need for detailed timelines to establish what the effect really is, before trying to grasp at causes. She deteriorated over a period of many years, several operations, many hospitalizations, Strobel explained. It really doesnt matter what the treatment is or how plausible it is you simply cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from 24 self-selected subjects with no controls and no blinding. In addition to Case Western Reserve, all This is the reason the specifics matter. But she, but it happened. All rights reserved. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. But in this case, he had to have the medical documentation be he'd been on disability. But there is another reason to study proximal prayer, which in this study meant physical laying on of hands, not just being near the subject. We should celebrate that. It also points to placebo as a possible contributor to the perceived magnitude of the improvement -- the amount of improvement is likely to be perceived to be higher given the expectation. In his most recent book, Strobel decided to look at miracles. After all the investigations and scrutiny of the numerous claims, not one single credible and fully verified healing by God or any other non-existent deity . It's like "no trust me, this is a legit methodology and it leads to the conclusion" and that's enough to legitimize your reasoning process. Like that's just assuming what you wanted to establish. Yeah ,that's what Ii just asked you about! It's walked though in a 5-part blog series: We keep coming back to the question about how you would test for miracles. Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. in social ethics from the University of Southern California, a Th.M. It involves Barbara Snyder and took place nearly 30 years ago. Christians) than other groups. Stories of recalled past memories from past lives only occurs within religions that support reincarnation. In his book, The Case for Miracles, evangelist Lee Strobel cites the miraculous healing of Barbara Snyder that took place nearly 30 years ago. Can we come to any agreement here? He says, he's going back to these passages about the coming of the [inaudible] and saying, "John, these are signs of the Kingdom right now." We wouldn't conclude that these things actually happened as reported, especially given the gaps in the timelines. And now she has a Masters degree from the seminary in Cameroon. And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered.. Thu 03 February 2022 public flagship institutions as UCLA, University of Michigan, and the I think we can. It still could fit James, Chapter Five or gifts of healings for those of us who believe in that. perhaps a thickening of the intestine would look like a regrowth? Craig Keener: Yes. Any legitimate effect should be able to withstand this scrutiny (and more! administrators, including President Snyder herself. Craig Keener: In Christian circles it's been received really, really well. But after a while it just becomes so overwhelming, but I said, "You know, I'm too skeptical myself. Studies of distant intercessory prayer have been essentially negative we see the typical random scatter of results expected of an ineffective treatment, with no consistent pattern of positive results, and with the best studies being negative. And so on. It just really annoys me this is always conflated. When his wife prayed, having been told that he was gone, the heart monitor "sprang back to life" and then the doctors were able to revive him. He encountered scores of healings and other claims of the miraculous along the way, but there was one case in particular that truly blew his mind: the case of Barbara Snyder. I think people sitting back and watching kind of don't take into account that this is life-changing stuff that's happening to these people. This is like the difference between theists asking skeptics to explain how the disciples ate fish with Jesus, when in reality what we have to explain is that we have a text that has a story where the disciples ate fish with Jesus. (Read also:Are the Biblical End Times upon us? If you enjoyed our conversation today, give us a rating on your podcast app. I misspoke in the episode for the next one, thinking the name was Barbara Snyder, but Barbara's case is an MS case. I was talking with Antoinette Malumbay with my wife translating for me 'cause my wife knew the story only second hand herself. However studies also show about 80% of ER nurses and 64% of ER doctors believe lunar cycles affect patients' mental health, even though the data do not support such an effect. James: can we just make it a thing to always mention that like although it's not that popular these days that deism or non-interventionist form of theism are a thing like you can totally believe in god and still not be okay with miracles? He ended up reading and it led him into a life of scholarship. So she basically pulls the tube out of her throat, says, Go find my parents [and] jumps out of bed.. You can get a free, one-month trialhere. It's not the consummation. Did she go back to Congo after her PhD studies? Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. 2021 - All rights reserved. The analogy doesn't work, and honestly I think this is a miracle talking-point that Elijah is misusing here. In This highlights many of the problems I've been talking about and we get to see it in real-time. You can get a free, one-month trial here. Despite several operations and treatments, Barbara continued to deteriorate to the point that she was put into respite with doctors orders not to resuscitate. He is the author of 24 books and there's a couple of books that I want to talk to you about today, Craig. in economics from Southern Methodist University. All I knew was the last letter I got from her said that she didn't know if she was going to live or die. Never miss a big news story again. The statements about being brain dead are all unsubstantiated -- there was oxygen both from the chest compressions and when he was hooked up to machinery. To contact us or to submit an article, click here. It also includes the audio recording of Duane Miller as he is being spontaneously healed of his permanent, severe vocal chord damage. Adding to that, he had some skepticism about some of the charlatans who have been exposed for making false claims about healings and the like. It seems we disagree on how much evidence is enough. "This male voice coming from the corner of the room where nobody was said, 'Get up, my child, and walk,'" Strobel recounted. It makes it very hard to investigate these claims because you have to spend so much time trying to work out what is actually established. Without further data, it is impossible to rule out these things, but you'd think the data would be available with something this recent? I doubt Keener has tried to actually get this done beyond the anecdotal level. One day in late 1962, the drummer announced that he had an idea for song that had come to him in dream the night before. Scott Rae: So tell Give our listeners a story from the U.S. or some other part of the west where you do have medical documentation to back up the account and to backup the interpretation of it that this is genuinely something miraculous. Join us for this fascinating discussion of miracles today. How can I help? Also, this condition is known to come and go in some patients. Adapted from Editorial Theme html5up.net | @ajlkn, Strobel, 66, is a former investigative journalist with the Chicago Tribune. First of all, is that true? Keener gives a lot of waffle, and then some video of the woman that is thoroughly unconvincing. Sorry! Just to have the words "inference to the best explanation" that legitimizes the inference that you're making rather than actually being able to use inference to the best explanation. It's all just ad hoc special pleading. Her feet and fingers were suddenly straight and normal again. These steps are in place to get at the truth, not to specifically put up barriers to rule out miracles. Synder's miraculous healing , which unfolded more than 30 years ago, was apparently so shocking that even her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical . The timeline of the events from the paper is. I mean that would almost qualify as a resurrection. 2022 Blaze Media LLC. To mix them makes it much harder to determine what's going on. Feel free to reach out if you want more specifics on a given quote or study. Now there's a downside to everything. Barbaras impact on this university has been so broad and deep that we will not understand the full extent of her legacy for years and perhaps decades to come, Wyant said. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. After a quick intro, the episode plays in full. I don't understand how it's possible for both those things to be true. The response is, essentially, that I am demanding too much evidence. The entire approach of those arguing for miracles focuses on the (presumed) successes but in any real study for a treatment, we need to know all of the cases -- the ones that worked and the ones that didn't -- to provide evidence of efficacy. Prior to that, she served as president of Case Western Reserve University from 2007 to 2020, where she encouraged interdisciplinary excellence, catalyzed institutional collaboration, and reinvigorated alumni engagement and fundraising. Read Barbara's Blog for blog posts and speeches from the Presidenton prominent and emerging issues facing research universities and the broader higher education community. Facebook gives people the power. "It got to the point where she was dying. It's part of the lowering of the standards of evidence. Here is her story. Now you got to go work! Scott Rae: Wow, I guess it did. He wrote to the Social Security Administration saying, "I'm not blind anymore." Join Facebook to connect with Barbara Cummiskey Snyder and others you may know. And just trying to stay ahead of the soldiers and the fighting. Of course, it's possible her sight was perfect and declined in the 2 years between the "healing" and the measurement which would call into question the miraculous nature. She never quotes her doctors about her condition, and provides no documentation whatsoever -- there is simply nothing to work with. Barbara R. Snyderis president of the Association of American Universities. I also think that there is a two-stage process for investigating these and similar processes (i.e. Is it possible to start by eliminating the theistic hypothesis? We don't get to choose what our test is. And why aren't there miracle claims of people spontaneously generating electricity? Converted to Pelican theme by Brian Blais. The Surfaris were a California garage band with an average age of 15 who had been successful enough playing at sock hops and house parties that they were able to acquire a manager. It's not the fullness. It's not impossible under theism, but it is an odd omission and speaks to God's motivation. research universities in the U.S., as well as two in Canada. Christian epistemologist, software engineer, musician, not necessarily in that order. The current results are suggestive, but are not conclusive. National Colloquium on Library Special CollectionsPresident's RemarksBarbara Snyder, President, Case Western Reserve University10/22/2014President's remarksC. It is interesting the Elijah seems to understand that we need evidence to believe a claim, that we need to weigh alternative hypotheses, but he seems to have no idea what a controlled study is or why it is necessary. Here I look into the papers he references in response. It completely defies what is possible by any naturalistic means. Barbara was married to the late Robert L. Snyder. Medine was a war refugee for 18 months in her country of Congo. Plus these were not from people who burned child witches or anything like that. President Barbara R. Snyder announced today that she will Here's where consistency comes in and the desiderata of Jaynes. However, after analyzing several miracles Strobel is convinced they are. Case Western Reserves Board of Trustees And she'd also gone blind. And the third thing she noticed was she was see it with her eyes. She mentions a head injury from her accident not a spinal cord injury and never mentions that she was irreversibly paralyzed below the waist. Given the number of miracle claims, and the bold claims of Christians throughout these videos, and the proliferation of cameras in people's pockets, there should be thousands of convincing videos of miracles. So that's why Christianity featured that part. Nine out of ten with prayer is the meaning of replicable, so I don't know what he really is thinking when he says miracles are not replicable. The first doctor report is two years after the event (the event in 1972, the doctor visit in 1074)? Snyder, who became president of Case Western Reserve You can received notifications daily or weekly. "Only 15 percent, according to the polling that I did, believe that miracles cannot happen today," Strobel said. So I asked Antoinette Malumbay, "How long was it that Terese wasn't breathing?" That we all will be ultimately healed if we have trust in Jesus because we'll be with him forever. I commented about it like. I think, however, there is a selection bias here -- those people who have theological reasons to expect healings are more likely to broadcast what they consider to be healing events, while others for the same sorts of events will prefer more modest interpretations. And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.. After a year or two of investigation they finally concluded, and we have all of the medical documentation, that no, he had, the way they put it in their letter from the Social Security Administration, "You have received a remarkable return of your visual acuity, therefore, you are no longer qualified for disability." James: Keener says simultaneously that there are hundreds of millions of cases but also that none of this can be replicated. Justin: why do you feel sympathetic to the view that what they're finding is evidence for supernatural healing rather than just extraordinary somewhat unexplained events ? The one-on-one treatments, when they show an effect, are confounded by the more intense experience, the one-on-one attention, the group pressures, etc You are adding a lot of psychological elements which make it harder to establish causation. Try comparing these claims to, say, the difficulty in confirming the Higgs boson, gravity waves, black holes, or the accelerating universe. Whining that it's hard is just lame. If someone says a treatment works, even at the 1% level, it is tested carefully to see if it works -- especially if there are no obvious side effects. The theists seem unwilling to do the work and want a pass anyway. 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I sort of think that these popular apologetics books will briefly touch on some of these tools that should be used but then that's a stand-in that makes people think that they're actually using them. By counting these as "hits" and ignoring the deaths of starving children because they are "misses" and don't support their narrative is an indictment of the entire mode of thought. The AAUs members include such Here I look into the papers he references in response. Keener: what is specific about that data that suggests it isn't just a fluke you know one of those one in a million things that just happens sometimes yeah anomalies occur so it's important to look for an accumulation of anomalies so you don't just have what could be a coincidence. A lot of these things were published in Asia. But Greg Spencer had been going blind due to macular degeneration. So I guess, what surprised you the most as a result of your study from when you set out to do this to when you got to the end? Craig Keener: Probably what surprised me the most was the real evidence for it. This is where they burn child witches," and stuff like that. This example is a category 1 miracle claim. Well I shouldn't say everybody, but lots of people have love stories. What are some of the things that just sort of blew your mind that you researched, heard about, read about, came into first hand contact with as you explored this subject. Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) healed from multiple sclerosis. No one in medicine evaluates the effectiveness of a treatment from case studies alone, or even primarily due to case studies. Synder's miraculous healing, which unfolded more than 30 years ago, was apparently so shocking that even her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn-around. Could you imagine a similar claim written about, say, a homeopathic remedy for cancer? She actually ended up being stranded in a third country for about eight months before she could get to the U.S., but the Lord did so many miracles along the way and we're grateful for this. I mean there was one person, it was so crazy. A woman name Barbara Cummiskey Snyder was on the verge of death from MS that she had had for over 15 years. This miracle claim never came up in the episode. I had the pleasure of being a guest on the Real Seekers podcast and discussing / debating miracles with Matthew (atheist) and Dale (Christian) last week. 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What would happen if two people out in space a few meters apart, abandoned by their spacecraft, decided to wait until gravity pulled them together? That fact alone is strong evidence that miracles are not real. Scott Rae: Yeah. Scott Rae: Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture. However, it is a fallacy to say that, because we could in principle have better evidence, we therefore do not have good or sufficient evidence. And sometimes there's also a catch-22 because after so many years the medical documentation has been discarded. It's a story of how you met your wife, Medina, and I'm taking I pronounced that correctly. And this time the doctor said she won't be coming back to the hospital. Not at all, given that all of the facts of his case fall within the known bounds of what is possible and observed, even if rare. And that was, that was really hard. The bias is on the person making the positive claim. 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